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Re: Magnifying JPEGs viewed in Safari?

by The NewGuy <noemailhere@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > May 7, 2008 at 09:37 PM

> > > > if you use Opera there is no text spilling anywhere. 
> > > 
> > > At the cost of text getting out of focus. 
> > 
> > How in the world does text get "out of focus"?  In Opera my text is 
> > always razor sharp at 1680x1050.  Please explain.
> > 
> If you zoom a picture up from its native px size, it will soon be 
> noticeably fuzzier. 

If you start with low resolution of course.  Start with high quality and 
it will just keep giving you more and more detail.  But I wasn't talking 
about photo quality - I was talking about uniformly zooming a website so 
everything stays in perspective. 
 
> OK, now lets look at proper html text, (not specified in pixel 
> font-sizes - to avoid a side issue to do with Windows Internet 
> Explorer). Not gifs, not jpgs or pngs but simply text typed into html 
> elements.
> 
> Most good browsers allow one to make the text bigger or smaller to suit 
> oneself. Either on a tactical basis, page to page and using menu and/or 
> keyboard commands or on a more global basis via preference settings or 
> user stylesheets. These latter allow a user to avoid suffering 
> impossibly small fonts as well as slightly uncomfortable ones. The 
> browser simply overrides any font style settings of the author of the 
> site and substitutes the user's preferred. A pretty wholesome thing, I 
> hope you will agree.
> 
> Take a look at http://store.apple.com/us
(to take a Mac example) in 
> Safari 2 or any browser that does not zoom the page but just zooms the 
> text. The text stays crisp no matter how big it gets. 

Same with Opera.  

> Never mind that 
> some of the text disappears or the design breaks (*that* is another 
> matter entirely). 

In Opera you can specify "Fit to width" and everything stays on one 
page.  

> It stays crips because the browser draws up real text 
> from your fonts on your machine and uses the vector type maths to do so.

> That is the magic of real fonts, they can be scaled and remain crispier 
> than chips.

I can't imagine how text ever gets fuzzy.  Never happens in Opera.  
Unless you start with fuzzy text of course.  If you have an example of 
that, please let us know.  
 
> Now look at it in Opera and zoom it up and it gets blurry. 

Must be something wrong with your monitor.  Looks fine here.  What size 
and screen resolution are you using? I'm 22" at 1680 x 1050.  But then 
again Apple.com has always had unsharp fonts.  
Here are pages that are tack sharp no matter what the zoom.
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/080506/national/auditor_main_1
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/05/07/amanpour.north.korea/index.ht
ml

> There is 
> nothing to explain, it gets blurry and it does so in pretty well the 
> same way as pics do when blown up beyond their native pxs. 

Well obviously if you start with a pic that is 300 x 200 and zoom to 
800% its going to be a blur.  Start with 3000 x 2200 and blow up 200% 
and it will be tack sharp.  Garbage in, garbage out.  This isn't even an 
issue.  Its just common sense.  

> There is no 
> special font maths involved here. The font is treated as just a set of 
> pxs and is enlarged by a crude(r) browser algorithm to be bigger. The 
> blur is then the general blur that results from machines not knowing 
> what is im****tant and what not when blowing up pics. Even a classy image

> program like Photoshop does poorly when blowing up a pic, browsers are 
> not any better.
> 
> Roughly this.

Maybe you need a better monitor.   :)
 




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Magnifying JPEGs viewed in Safari?
AES <siegman@[EMAIL PR  2008-05-02 10:37:57 
Re: Magnifying JPEGs viewed in Safari?
"Steve W. Jackson&qu  2008-05-02 12:47:39 
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Jolly Roger <jollyroge  2008-05-02 13:21:26 
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dorayme <doraymeRidThi  2008-05-03 13:01:29 
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Lewis <g.kreme@[EMAIL   2008-05-05 12:04:27 
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dorayme <doraymeRidThi  2008-05-06 10:59:21 
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Matthew Lybanon <lyban  2008-05-06 08:10:00 
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The NewGuy <noemailher  2008-05-06 12:11:13 
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dorayme <doraymeRidThi  2008-05-07 08:28:16 
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The NewGuy <noemailher  2008-05-06 19:25:29 
Re: Magnifying JPEGs viewed in Safari?
dorayme <doraymeRidThi  2008-05-07 10:45:14 
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The NewGuy <noemailher  2008-05-07 17:24:42 
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dorayme <doraymeRidThi  2008-05-08 11:40:15 
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dorayme <doraymeRidThi  2008-05-08 11:55:07 
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The NewGuy <noemailher  2008-05-07 21:37:53 
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dorayme <doraymeRidThi  2008-05-08 13:37:43 
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The NewGuy <noemailher  2008-05-08 18:03:31 
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dorayme <doraymeRidThi  2008-05-09 12:05:28 
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dorayme <doraymeRidThi  2008-05-07 08:27:41 
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Lewis <g.kreme@[EMAIL   2008-05-07 11:54:13 
Re: Magnifying JPEGs viewed in Safari?
Gregory Weston <uce@[E  2008-05-07 15:24:41 
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Lewis <g.kreme@[EMAIL   2008-05-07 21:37:15 
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dorayme <doraymeRidThi  2008-05-08 14:42:47 
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Lewis <g.kreme@[EMAIL   2008-05-08 04:06:18 
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dorayme <doraymeRidThi  2008-05-08 20:38:48 
Re: Magnifying JPEGs viewed in Safari?
Lewis <g.kreme@[EMAIL   2008-05-09 11:06:42 
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dorayme <doraymeRidThi  2008-05-10 12:31:36 
Re: Magnifying JPEGs viewed in Safari?
Gregory Weston <uce@[E  2008-05-08 08:27:44 
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Lewis <g.kreme@[EMAIL   2008-05-09 11:27:56 
Re: Magnifying JPEGs viewed in Safari?
dorayme <doraymeRidThi  2008-05-08 09:53:07 
Re: Magnifying JPEGs viewed in Safari?
Gregory Weston <uce@[E  2008-05-02 14:23:15 

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