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Re: Shrinking a picture --- and it becomes blur !!

by aruzinsky <aruzinsky@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > May 2, 2008 at 10:48 AM

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On May 2, 4:38=C2=A0am, pg <pen...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> Thank you for the info.
>
> Would anyone kindly tell me which software provides the choice of
> "expanded" and "unexpanded" kernels of the Lanczos routine?
>
> As I am not a pro in this, while I do own (LEGAL) copies of several
> commercial software, I do not recall, photoshop, for instant, offer
> the "expanded" and the "unexpanded" kernel versions of Lanczos.
>
> Thank you again !!!
>
> On May 1, 2:49 pm, aruzinsky <aruzin...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > If you prefer this,
>
>
>http://www.general-cathexis.com/images/ORI_0.125X_LanczosUnExpandedKe...
>
> > , to this,
>
>
>http://www.general-cathexis.com/images/ORI_0.125X_Lanczo***pandedKern...
>
> > , then I suggest that you use an unexpanded interpolation kernel.
>
> > Typically, commercial softwares expand the interpolation kernel for
> > reductions because such expansion automatically provides
> > antialiasing. =C2=A0SAR Image Processor gives the option of not
expandin=
g
> > the kernel. =C2=A0This is undesirable for natural images.
>
> > On May 1, 9:24 am, pg <pen...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
> > > On May 1, 8:12 am, hsyq...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
>
> > > > Sorry for this late reply.
>
> > > > 3 example online:
>
> > > > A.www.PenangA1.com/png/1K.PNG
>
> > > > B.www.PenangA1.com/png/4K.PNG
>
> > > > C.www.PenangA2.com/png/ORI.PNG
>
> > > Picture C should bewww.PenangA1.com/png/ORI.PNG
>
> > > > The three examples above are fragments of a drawing that terragen
> > > > produced just a few days ago.
>
> > > > All three pictures were taken by the same screen capture program.
>
> > > > If you take a look at Picture C (ori.png), it's from the original
> > > > drawing ( resolution: 4096 X 3072 ), with file size of 37MB, in
BMP
> > > > format. In Picture C you can see patches of green leaves
distinctly,=

> > > > arising from the brown wall.
>
> > > > Picture B represents a screenshot fragment of the 37MB drawing as
my=

> > > > desktop wallpaper (1024 X 768). As you can see from Picture B,
> > > > although much smaller than Picture C, the patches of green leaves
ar=
e
> > > > still separated from the brown wall.
>
> > > > However, if you look at Picture A ... the patches of green leaves
> > > > kinda melt into the brown wall behind it. Picture A was from a
> > > > fragment of a 1024 X 768 picture (JPG format) that I shrunk from
the=

> > > > original 37 MB BMP drawing. When I shrunk it, I use 100% JPG
quality=
,
> > > > with the "Lanczos" option.
>
> > > > The most im****tant thing is that comparing Picture A with Picture
> > > > B ... as you can see, even if Picture A and Picture B were
obtained
> > > > from pictures with the same dimension ( 1024 X 768 ), albeit
differe=
nt
> > > > pictures, the green leaf patches of Picture B can still be clearly
> > > > seen, while Picture A, the green leaves and brown wall are all
mixed=

> > > > up.
>
> > > > Any comment ??
>
> > > > aruzinsky wrote:
> > > > > On Apr 29, 12:39=EF=BF=BDam, hsyq...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
> > > > > > Hello !
>
> > > > > > I do computer graphics as a hobby, and have produced quite a
num=
ber of
> > > > > > stunning graphics. Often time though, when I shrink the
graphic =
to put
> > > > > > them online, they become blurred !!
>
> > > > > > I do all kinds of computer graphics, from fractals to virtual
> > > > > > landscape, to sci-fi rendering, using softwares ranging from
pho=
toshop
> > > > > > to terragen to povray.
>
> > > > > > When I am satisfied with a certain creation, I often make a
mast=
er
> > > > > > copy with the resolution of 8192 X 6144 pixel. Why that size?
Be=
cause
> > > > > > that's the largest size my puny computer (dual-core 3GHz CPU
run=
ning
> > > > > > XP with 4GB RAM) can produce within a reasonably timeframe.
(Giv=
e or
> > > > > > take 8 hours for rendering).
>
> > > > > > As the filesize for a JPG with 8192 X 6144 resolution may go
up =
to 30+
> > > > > > MB, I often have to shrink them to a more reasonable 1024 X
768,=

> > > > > > filesize about 800 KB or so.
>
> > > > > > However, I found that when I do that, many interesting minute
de=
tails
> > > > > > that were in the 8K X 6K pictures (even when I shrink fit it
to =
my
> > > > > > 1024X768 desktop as wallpaper) are GONE. In the 1024 X 768 JPG
f=
iles,
> > > > > > all those details become blurred. No matter it's a JPG --->
JPG
> > > > > > shrink, or BMP ---> JPG shrink, or TIFF ---> JPG shrink, all
tho=
se
> > > > > > details are GONE !!
>
> > > > > > I have experimented with many different graphic / photo
software=
s in
> > > > > > the shrinking process, all of them give me the same "blurring"
e=
ffect.
>
> > > > > > Now my questions to all you Gurus as below ---
>
> > > > > > 1. =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD
=
=EF=BF=BDCan you tell me of the best way to shrink a 8192X6144 size
graphic
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD
=EF=
=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD 1024X768 size graphic without losing the interesting
detail=
s?
>
> > > > > > 2. =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD
=
=EF=BF=BDWhich software do you recommend to carry out the shrinking
> > > > > > operation?
>
> > > > > > Thank you all in advance !!!
>
> > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > > Lee
>
> > > > > Instead of excess verbosity, you should post links to crops of
bef=
ore
> > > > > and after images showing the problem areas.
>
> > > > > You (plural) are not entitled to ignore the adage, "A picture is
w=
orth
> > > > > a thousand words."- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
 




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Shrinking a picture --- and it becomes blur !!
hsyq8xg@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-04-28 23:39:48 
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"N" <n@[EMAI  2008-04-29 16:57:06 
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Beryl <flyingterrapin@  2008-04-30 11:29:57 
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Allen <allen@[EMAIL PR  2008-04-30 15:59:52 
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Dave <dave@[EMAIL PROT  2008-04-30 23:25:29 
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Paul Furman <paul-@[EM  2008-05-05 09:12:11 
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"Andrew Morton"  2008-04-29 09:25:15 
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"Pico" <pico  2008-04-30 06:55:52 
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nospam <nospam@[EMAIL   2008-05-01 11:03:16 
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Martin Leese <please@[  2008-05-02 00:37:21 
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mark.thomas.7@[EMAIL PROT  2008-04-29 01:42:02 
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bugbear <bugbear@[EMAI  2008-04-29 11:13:37 
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davem@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-04-30 02:50:02 
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Marco Tedaldi <news040  2008-04-29 20:32:18 
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Marco Tedaldi <news040  2008-04-29 20:33:45 
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penang@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-04-29 03:33:16 
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"k" <fellafe  2008-04-29 18:38:08 
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Allen <allen@[EMAIL PR  2008-04-29 09:04:41 
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mark.thomas.7@[EMAIL PROT  2008-04-29 03:42:53 
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Chris Malcolm <cam@[EM  2008-04-30 11:09:12 
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Duddits <Duddits@[EMAI  2008-04-29 10:04:45 
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Martin Brown <|||newsp  2008-04-29 17:04:08 
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aruzinsky <aruzinsky@[  2008-04-29 14:13:56 
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"Pico" <pico  2008-04-30 06:57:38 
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"KatWoman" <  2008-04-29 17:37:07 
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tacit <tacitr@[EMAIL P  2008-04-30 03:03:51 
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bugbear <bugbear@[EMAI  2008-04-30 09:46:23 
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hsyq8xg@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-05-01 08:12:32 
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Martin Brown <|||newsp  2008-05-01 16:48:31 
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pg <penang@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-01 08:24:26 
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aruzinsky <aruzinsky@[  2008-05-01 09:00:18 
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pg <penang@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-01 09:26:44 
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Dave <dave@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-01 19:02:13 
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aruzinsky <aruzinsky@[  2008-05-01 14:49:57 
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aruzinsky <aruzinsky@[  2008-05-01 15:03:12 
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pg <penang@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-02 03:38:29 
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Denise <devn@[EMAIL PR  2008-05-02 10:26:31 
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Denise <devd@[EMAIL PR  2008-05-02 10:29:10 
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aruzinsky <aruzinsky@[  2008-05-02 10:48:22 
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pg <penang@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-07 18:26:52 
Re: Shrinking a picture --- and it becomes blur !!
Harris <xgeorgiou@[EMA  2008-05-12 01:13:38 

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