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Re: CG Omega v Zapf Humanist 601 v Optima

by Character <Char@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Mar 30, 2008 at 06:13 PM

Caecilius wrote:

> I've been using CG Omega to write my re****ts in MS Word for about ten
years
> now, and I'm looking for a better alternative for both on screen and HP
> laser printer.

"Better" is very subjective. What is it that you want to improve?

> From reading and searching this group, I understand that CG Omega is
> actually a copy of Hermann Zapf's Optima, so this is one alternative.


It's not "a copy". If it was, it would be identical and there'd be no 
reason to pick one over the other. What it is is another interpretation.

>  I  also understand that Zapf Humanist 601 is another alternative.
> 
> I have two questions that I hope someone can help me with:
> 
> 1.  Are there differences in quality between different fonts with the
same
> name?

There can be. Or each might be better in some respects, poorer in others.

> I'm thinking mainly of things like hinting and kerning here.  I notice
that
> there are a few different sources for a font with the same name, and the
> font files are not identical.

And even fonts from the same foundry may evolve over time, so you get 
different versions of the same font from the same source. Later 
versions usually are improvements, but like anything else, changes can 
introduce negative effects as well. For instance, line flow may not 
match if older do***ents use the newer version.

> For example, the TrueType CG Omega that I currently use has version
> "Version 1.3 (Hewlett-Packard)", is dated 4th March 1998 and "contains
385
> glyphs and no standard kern pairs".  I think this came from an HP
printer
> software disk.  I have found another version on a free fonts website
that
> has version "Version 1.3 (ElseWare)", is dated 11th January 1995 and
> "contains 406 glyphs and no standard kern pairs".

As cor****ations merge and separate and acquire and de-acquire, 
cross-license and un-cross, their fonts undergo rebranding. Sometimes 
it's just a change in the copyright line, sometimes other changes are 
introduced. For example: Elseware was an early computer font developer 
and innovator, responsible for the Panose identification system, among 
other things. HP purchased them and the company no longer exists. HP 
also distributed many fonts under license from Miles, Inc., which 
later acquired Agfa/Monotype. This is one of the simpler scenarios to 
be found!

Regarding the properties extension that says "contains x glyphs and y 
kern pairs", this is essentially valueless information. Many fonts 
have empty glyphs, which get counted just the same, and the number of 
kern pairs has nothing to do with how GOOD the kerning is, whether it 
was carefully done manually or automatically, etc.

> My worry is that with multiple fonts with the same name, and no obvious
> place to go to to check the font's ancestry and quality, how do I know
> which is the "best" font,

There is no "best". Moreover, you can have different fonts with the 
same name, and the same font under different names.

> and which may be a cheap copy (OK, in the case of
> CG Omega perhaps they are all cheap copies, but you get my point).

And some "cheap copies" are superior to expensive versions.

> Is it a case of always going to the owner of the font to be sure of good
> quality?

No. What's "the owner"? The original designer (often long-dead)? The 
patent owner for patented fonts? The owner of the copyright for a font 
name? There are a number of ITC designs, for example, which ITC 
doesn't offer, but different implementations are offered by Adobe, 
Linotype, and others.

> So Adobe for Optima and Bitstream for Zapf Humanist?

Not particularly. Optima was designed by Herman Zapf, and implemented 
by Linotype and Berthold as well as by Adobe and others. Zapf Humanist 
601 is Bitstream's implementation.

> Coming from a software background, I'm a bit surprised that there is not
> better version control for fonts, and digital signatures to prove that
they
> have not been altered.

Yes, fonts CAN have digital signatures.
> 
> 2.  Licencing
> 
> Please correct me if I'm wrong here, but here's my understanding:
> 
> It seems that CG Omega is essentially free as it's available for
download
> from HP and is available on several free font websites.  I also cannot
find
> anywhere to buy it from.

Absolutely not. Elseware's CG Omega is essentially "abandonware", but 
technically it is "owned" by Hewlett Packard. You CAN buy it by buying 
an appropriate older HP Printer.

FREE does NOT mean unrestricted. You may be constrained from 
duplicating, re-distributing, and even from certain uses. The fact 
that a font is included with a paid package does NOT make the font 
free, any more than your operating system is free because it came with 
your computer, or than the tires that came with your automobile.

> Optima seems to be only available as a paid-for font.  No free downloads
> apart from obviously dogey sources which don't look legal to me.
> 
> Zapf Humanist seems to be between the two.  It is available paid-for
from
> places like MyFonts, but it's also offered at free font websites and is
> included on many font collection CDs.

> If I buy a copy of Zapf Humanist or Optima from somewhere like MyFonts,
> does my money go to the right people (I'd like to think that Hermann
Zapf
> would get some of it), or am I just paying a middle-man?

You never know. If you buy an Adobe font from MyFonts, of course 
you're paying a middle-man - but the cost might be less than from 
Adobe. It all depends on what contracts, licence agreements, etc. have 
been negotiated. Same goes for the designers.

> If I download Zapf Humanist from a free fonts website, am I committing
> piracy, or just getting a bad-quality knockoff font (or maybe both)?

Maybe both and maybe neither. If I create and post a font named Zapf 
Humanist, waive copyright protection, and put it into the public 
domain, I might be violating BT's (Bitstream's) copyright on the NAME 
(if they have it), but you would be free to download it legally. It 
might be better than BT's [unlikely] or could be something entirely 
different. If you're downloading the BT version, then yes, it is piracy.

> No one I've spoken to seems to care much about font licensing.  However
as
> my re****ts are part of a chargeable service I want to make sure I stay
on
> the right side of the law.

You're not speaking to the right people. EVERY font you purchase has 
an associated license agreement. These agreements vary widely among 
foundries and suppliers, and can very within a supplier. Read them 
carefully. They're usually available on the companies' websites.

  - Character
 




 10 Posts in Topic:
CG Omega v Zapf Humanist 601 v Optima
Caecilius <nosuch@[EMA  2008-03-30 13:27:54 
Re: CG Omega v Zapf Humanist 601 v Optima
Character <Char@[EMAIL  2008-03-30 18:13:04 
Re: CG Omega v Zapf Humanist 601 v Optima
"David E. Ross"  2008-03-30 10:45:04 
Re: CG Omega v Zapf Humanist 601 v Optima
Character <Char@[EMAIL  2008-03-30 19:54:18 
Re: CG Omega v Zapf Humanist 601 v Optima
REMOVESPAMzpjotr@[EMAIL P  2008-04-05 21:56:24 
Re: CG Omega v Zapf Humanist 601 v Optima
=?ISO-8859-15?Q?Andreas_H  2008-04-06 13:26:59 
Re: CG Omega v Zapf Humanist 601 v Optima
REMOVESPAMzpjotr@[EMAIL P  2008-04-06 20:57:01 
Re: CG Omega v Zapf Humanist 601 v Optima
Character <Char@[EMAIL  2008-04-06 14:31:38 
Re: CG Omega v Zapf Humanist 601 v Optima
REMOVESPAMzpjotr@[EMAIL P  2008-04-06 21:00:51 
Re: CG Omega v Zapf Humanist 601 v Optima
=?ISO-8859-15?Q?Andreas_H  2008-04-06 23:24:16 

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