I agree, only I think it is about the images and the image creating
communities.
Look, if they wanted to do what they said, as I pointed out earlier: why
didn't they kill the de.alt.binaries groups.
They have been posting the same bilge pictures weeks after they did this
extermination of all those American digital communities.
They clearly are stopping any possibility of sharing any political satire
or
humor over the whole Internet.
Big Brother, Nazi, Fascist, Pig-Ignorant.... no difference, imo.
I don't believe in this "massa-eye-ya".
I will not comply and I will not be sterilized. <a little Borg & NOMAD
lingo
there>
=:^7
"Bill Carey" wrote in message
>I agree, they were looking for an excuse, someone gave them one. It's
not
>about the images really, it's about the control. Big government at it's
>worst. One of the many "changes" we can expect if Obama gets in and the
>role of big brother expands ever wider. Just drink the kool-aid and let
the
>government take care of everything, because you can trust it when Obama
is
>in charge.
> --
>
> Bill Carey
> ===============
>
> "Graystar" wrote in message
>> I agree that this is the trumped up excuse they used for the
Censor****p.
>> Don't kid yourself however... this was planned. You can tell by how
fast
>> they "rolled it out".
>> They know that the binaries groups do not have the problem they
describe
>> because they said it was "possible".
>> Well anything is possible, including influencing politics & even if
this
>> was before the New Yorker cartoon.
>> I stand by what I said. They wanted to impose the "fairness doctrine"
on
>> the Internet and now they have by fiat.
>> There was no voting on this. It was unilateral without concern for who
>> it effected and was designed to kill a form of free speech, namely:
>> pictures.
>>
>> There are ways around this by subscribing the news services that have
no
>> filters. How many will do that? Not as many IMO unless they are
>> dedicated users.
>> Child **** is just plain stupid and twisted. That is no reason to kill
>> off an entire avenues of free speech not even connected with such a
>> repulsive activity.
>> That said, this is the kind of "Let's throw the baby out with the bath
>> water" approach that always happens when you allow governments to
coerce,
>> fear driven, pig ignorant managment types into actions without thought
or
>> consideration.
>>
>> But don't worry. Now the "messiah" is safe from having it pointed out
by
>> some rube that Obama's clothes are transparent.... right?
>> yeah, uhuh, right. <left>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Rita" wrote in message
>>> This all started around July 12 way before the Obama toon. Recently
AT&T
>>> dropped all alt.binaries newsgroups
>>>
http://my.att.net/newsgroup/s/s.dll?spage=cg/news/newsgroup001.htm&only=y&ck=
>>> because of New York state Senator Andrew Cuomo
>>> http://www.nystopchild****.com/
and while I agree with his war on
child
>>> ****, I was forced to write him this letter:
>>> Sir: You are very wrong to claim that all alt.binaries are ****
related.
>>> I belong to a group called alt.binaries.3d.poser where we share images
>>> produced from an expensive program called "Daz's Poser" and in all the
>>> years I have subscribed to this newsgroup (at least 10) where we
>>> critique each others work, I have not seen even one where child ****
was
>>> ****trayed. As a
>>> 74 year old wife,mother, grandmother(11) and
>>> great grandmother(2), I abhor child ****. I have been a victim of
***ual
>>> abuse by 2 close relatives as a child and would not tolerate child
abuse
>>> of
>>> any kind. Your linking child **** to alt.bin groups is tantamount to
>>> saying that because several politicians have been fraudelant -all
>>> politicians should be banned from serving! Drunk drivers have caused
>>> people to be killed
>>> yet we do not take away everyone's drivers licenses! And yet because
>>> there may be a few disgusting people on the internet, my ISP (AT&T)
has
>>> taken away a newsgroup that have not been guilty of this. I feel my
>>> rights have been violated and that this wrong can be righted. We live
in
>>> the United States of America, not the Soviet Union or China.I am
>>> homebound with several medical disabilities and this newsgroup (Alt.
>>> binaries.3d.poser) has been a source
>>> of contact with people that share my love with the Poser program.
>>> Granted, there is ****ity and perhaps an occassional *****ca but there
is
>>> also a warning to those who do not wish to see this art but never
child
>>> ****!
>>>
>>> I still have not heard from Cuomo's office and after contacting AT&T,
>>> they now call these sites illegal. Bryce is included along with Poser
>>> ng.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Rita
>>>
>>> "Graystar" wrote in message
>>>> Hey Brycers,
>>>>
>>>> I am convinced that ALL the alt.binaries groups were pulled because
of
>>>> the flap
>>>> over the New Yorker cartoon about Barack Hussein Obama and his wife
>>>> dressed as Terrorists.
>>>> It was a stupid cartoon that was really about what the Rich Elitist
>>>> Leftists think that we in the middle of the country think.
>>>> I thought, AFAIK, only Muslims seemed to get upset about cartoons &
>>>> then killed things.
>>>> Looks like some of our people do that too.
>>>>
>>>> In any case, they do not want spinoffs of such cartoons passing
around
>>>> on the Internet
>>>> thereby affecting the fall elections.
>>>> They don't want to be accused or sued or held responsible in any way
>>>> for hosting any kind of political lampoon images that would impact
any
>>>> candidate.
>>>> A rather anti-American view, IMHO.
>>>>
>>>> Their action is blatant outright CENSOR****P
>>>> instigated by some people in branches of the Government who are in
>>>> collusion with Special Interest groups and they *Influenced* the
ISPs.
>>>> Now whether that was Coercive or Cooperative... we may not know for a
>>>> while.
>>>> I do not buy their excuses.
>>>>
>>>> This should be a lesson to all of us exactly how tenous our
"Freedoms"
>>>> really are.
>>>> The fight has just begun.
>>>> See how easy they can *take it all away*?
>>>>
>>>> They can do the same to anyone's life just as easily.
>>>>
>>>> Graystar
>>>>
>>>> BTW, they are stupid because they didn't kill the de.alt.binaries.
>>>> Overlooked? Possibly, but were I looking to implement a restriction
>>>> filter... DE would have been 1st on the list having been to Germany
and
>>>> saw what I saw in the public square there. I find it odd that the
>>>> *Network NAZIs* missed that one. <the morons that they are>
>>>> But then they are not trying to Censor the Germans... Just Americans,
>>>> eh?
>>>> THINK!
>>>>
>>>> Bryce on.
>>>>
>>>> "Rita" wrote in message
>>>>> Changing ISP's won't help. It's ALL Isp's. See
>>>>> http://www.nystopchild****.com/
His goal: All Isp's
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Rita
>>>>>
>>>>> "Gipse" wrote in message
>>>>>> It's not just the graphics groups that were yanked.
>>>>>> ALL alt.bin groups are *gone*..... unless you go down to
free.alt.bin
>>>>>> The only thing that's being posted there, however, is those
annoying
>>>>>> "cancel" messages that no one reads. I cannot understand why they
>>>>>> would pull the entire alt.bin section off their servers when some
of
>>>>>> them were not even graphic-oriented.
>>>>>> I love this country, *but*, I for one, and getting really fed up
with
>>>>>> our so-called-government trying to tell us what we can and cannot
do
>>>>>> with our personal lives!! The old book, "1984" and "Ferinheight
451"
>>>>>> aren't so much fiction anymore....they're slowly becoming a
reality.
>>>>>> What a sad, sad world we live in today.
>>>>>> I think I may change ISP's just to see if it makes any
difference....
>>>>>> doubtful tho. (sigh)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 17:55:34 -0400, "Bill Carey"
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Rita,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I've sent a couple of emails back as well, but I'm afraid that I
have
>>>>>>>seen
>>>>>>>some images, primarily on the poser group, that probably do cross
the
>>>>>>>line.
>>>>>>>I have no interest in getting in to argument about that, just one
of
>>>>>>>those
>>>>>>>you know it when you see it things. One of those was about a week
>>>>>>>ago, might
>>>>>>>be the one they were able to put in front of someone and say, see!
My
>>>>>>>letters are geared towards trying to get the vue, bryce and
lightwave
>>>>>>>groups
>>>>>>>back on the list since those packages aren't geared towards images
of
>>>>>>>humans
>>>>>>>and it's more difficult to produce questionable materials. They
just
>>>>>>>blanket
>>>>>>>deleted anything under alt.binaries.3d, which is an overreaction.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Good luck to us!
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