I agree that this is the trumped up excuse they used for the Censor****p.
Don't kid yourself however... this was planned. You can tell by how fast
they "rolled it out".
They know that the binaries groups do not have the problem they describe
because they said it was "possible".
Well anything is possible, including influencing politics & even if this
was
before the New Yorker cartoon.
I stand by what I said. They wanted to impose the "fairness doctrine" on
the Internet and now they have by fiat.
There was no voting on this. It was unilateral without concern for who it
effected and was designed to kill a form of free speech, namely: pictures.
There are ways around this by subscribing the news services that have no
filters. How many will do that? Not as many IMO unless they are
dedicated
users.
Child **** is just plain stupid and twisted. That is no reason to kill
off
an entire avenues of free speech not even connected with such a repulsive
activity.
That said, this is the kind of "Let's throw the baby out with the bath
water" approach that always happens when you allow governments to coerce,
fear driven, pig ignorant managment types into actions without thought or
consideration.
But don't worry. Now the "messiah" is safe from having it pointed out by
some rube that Obama's clothes are transparent.... right?
yeah, uhuh, right. <left>
"Rita" <riden@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
> This all started around July 12 way before the Obama toon. Recently AT&T
> dropped all alt.binaries newsgroups
>
http://my.att.net/newsgroup/s/s.dll?spage=cg/news/newsgroup001.htm&only=y&ck=
> because of New York state Senator Andrew Cuomo
> http://www.nystopchild****.com/
and while I agree with his war on child
> ****, I was forced to write him this letter:
> Sir: You are very wrong to claim that all alt.binaries are **** related.
I
> belong to a group called alt.binaries.3d.poser where we share images
> produced from an expensive program called "Daz's Poser" and in all the
> years I have subscribed to this newsgroup (at least 10) where we
critique
> each others work, I have not seen even one where child **** was
****trayed.
> As a
> 74 year old wife,mother, grandmother(11) and
> great grandmother(2), I abhor child ****. I have been a victim of ***ual
> abuse by 2 close relatives as a child and would not tolerate child abuse
> of
> any kind. Your linking child **** to alt.bin groups is tantamount to
> saying that because several politicians have been fraudelant -all
> politicians should be banned from serving! Drunk drivers have caused
> people to be killed
> yet we do not take away everyone's drivers licenses! And yet because
there
> may be a few disgusting people on the internet, my ISP (AT&T) has taken
> away a newsgroup that have not been guilty of this. I feel my rights
have
> been violated and that this wrong can be righted. We live in the United
> States of America, not the Soviet Union or China.I am homebound with
> several medical disabilities and this newsgroup (Alt. binaries.3d.poser)
> has been a source
> of contact with people that share my love with the Poser program.
> Granted, there is ****ity and perhaps an occassional *****ca but there is
> also a warning to those who do not wish to see this art but never child
> ****!
>
> I still have not heard from Cuomo's office and after contacting AT&T,
they
> now call these sites illegal. Bryce is included along with Poser ng.
>
>
> --
> Rita
> http://ritasquilts.com
> "Graystar" <graystar@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
> news:rGTfk.12766$LG4.7504@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Hey Brycers,
>>
>> I am convinced that ALL the alt.binaries groups were pulled because of
>> the flap
>> over the New Yorker cartoon about Barack Hussein Obama and his wife
>> dressed as Terrorists.
>> It was a stupid cartoon that was really about what the Rich Elitist
>> Leftists think that we in the middle of the country think.
>> I thought, AFAIK, only Muslims seemed to get upset about cartoons &
then
>> killed things.
>> Looks like some of our people do that too.
>>
>> In any case, they do not want spinoffs of such cartoons passing around
on
>> the Internet
>> thereby affecting the fall elections.
>> They don't want to be accused or sued or held responsible in any way
for
>> hosting any kind of political lampoon images that would impact any
>> candidate.
>> A rather anti-American view, IMHO.
>>
>> Their action is blatant outright CENSOR****P
>> instigated by some people in branches of the Government who are in
>> collusion with Special Interest groups and they *Influenced* the ISPs.
>> Now whether that was Coercive or Cooperative... we may not know for a
>> while.
>> I do not buy their excuses.
>>
>> This should be a lesson to all of us exactly how tenous our "Freedoms"
>> really are.
>> The fight has just begun.
>> See how easy they can *take it all away*?
>>
>> They can do the same to anyone's life just as easily.
>>
>> Graystar
>>
>> BTW, they are stupid because they didn't kill the de.alt.binaries.
>> Overlooked? Possibly, but were I looking to implement a restriction
>> filter... DE would have been 1st on the list having been to Germany and
>> saw what I saw in the public square there. I find it odd that the
>> *Network NAZIs* missed that one. <the morons that they are>
>> But then they are not trying to Censor the Germans... Just Americans,
eh?
>> THINK!
>>
>> Bryce on.
>>
>> "Rita" <riden@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>>> Changing ISP's won't help. It's ALL Isp's. See
>>> http://www.nystopchild****.com/
His goal: All Isp's
>>>
>>> --
>>> Rita
>>> http://ritasquilts.com
>>> "Gipse" <gipse@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>>> news:4t2r74h40e7a1v5duiu8503mfeopjj74hi@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>> It's not just the graphics groups that were yanked.
>>>> ALL alt.bin groups are *gone*..... unless you go down to free.alt.bin
>>>> The only thing that's being posted there, however, is those annoying
>>>> "cancel" messages that no one reads. I cannot understand why they
>>>> would pull the entire alt.bin section off their servers when some of
>>>> them were not even graphic-oriented.
>>>> I love this country, *but*, I for one, and getting really fed up with
>>>> our so-called-government trying to tell us what we can and cannot do
>>>> with our personal lives!! The old book, "1984" and "Ferinheight 451"
>>>> aren't so much fiction anymore....they're slowly becoming a reality.
>>>> What a sad, sad world we live in today.
>>>> I think I may change ISP's just to see if it makes any difference....
>>>> doubtful tho. (sigh)
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 17:55:34 -0400, "Bill Carey"
>>>> <imnotstupid@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Rita,
>>>>>
>>>>>I've sent a couple of emails back as well, but I'm afraid that I have
>>>>>seen
>>>>>some images, primarily on the poser group, that probably do cross the
>>>>>line.
>>>>>I have no interest in getting in to argument about that, just one of
>>>>>those
>>>>>you know it when you see it things. One of those was about a week
ago,
>>>>>might
>>>>>be the one they were able to put in front of someone and say, see! My
>>>>>letters are geared towards trying to get the vue, bryce and lightwave
>>>>>groups
>>>>>back on the list since those packages aren't geared towards images of
>>>>>humans
>>>>>and it's more difficult to produce questionable materials. They just
>>>>>blanket
>>>>>deleted anything under alt.binaries.3d, which is an overreaction.
>>>>>
>>>>>Good luck to us!
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
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