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Re: does capitalism like philosophy?

by The Trucker <mikcob@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Jul 6, 2008 at 09:32 AM

On Sat, 05 Jul 2008 09:49:21 -0700, calvin wrote:

> On Jul 5, 12:36 pm, The Trucker <mik...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> That oil in the ANWR and offshore is __**OUR**__ oil.  It does not
belong
>> to the politicians or the oil companies.  All oil in the USA commons
>> belongs to all voters in the USA __**EQUALLY**__.
>>
>> So much for your tap dancing crap about "communism".
> 
> That's what you're preaching, as quoted above.

Not according to the definitions of the term I have seen.  But this is
just semantics.  What I describe above may well fit into some fascist
definition of communism.  But as with all fascist definitions, the
objective would be impreciseness so as to allow the fascist to denounce
good along with bad. The goal is to use language as a means to obfuscate.
What matters in the statements you have quoted is that op****tunity is
equalized as opposed to outcomes. I have always seen communism defined as
an equalization of outcomes as opposed to an equalization of
op****tunities. As in:

"From each according to his abilities. To each according to his need".

My position is almost the direct opposite in that I subscribe to a labor
theory of costs:

http://GreaterVoice.org/essays/LaborTheoryOfCost.php

My own moral compass says that _rightful_ private owner****p comes into
being in the hands and mind of those that would provide usable goods and
that only the value added is owned.  This says that what is taken and thus
removed from the commons is denied to all others and that all others must
be compensated for the deprivation.  This holds true for all scarce
natural resources.  No entity has the right to deprive others of what
would have otherwise been accessible to them. This is currently done
through the inappropriate force of government in regard to natural
resources.

-- 
"I know no safe depository of the ultimate powers
of society but the people themselves; and
if we think them not enlightened enough to
exercise their control with a wholesome
discretion, the remedy is not to take it from
them, but to inform their discretion by
education." - Thomas Jefferson
http://GreaterVoice.org/extend
 




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sirblob2@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-07-02 00:17:10 
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Leon Hoeneveld <leonho  2008-07-02 09:38:46 
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Paul Grieg <pgrieg@[EM  2008-07-02 03:19:29 
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Leon Hoeneveld <leonho  2008-07-02 18:26:36 
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Paul Heslop <paul.hesl  2008-07-03 12:45:04 
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Paul Heslop <paul.hesl  2008-07-03 15:52:07 
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calvin <crice5@[EMAIL   2008-07-04 06:49:02 
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tg <tgdenning@[EMAIL P  2008-07-04 10:00:22 
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jmh <jmhall@[EMAIL PRO  2008-07-04 17:33:04 
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The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-07-04 13:49:35 
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calvin <crice5@[EMAIL   2008-07-04 10:16:03 
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The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-07-04 16:10:21 
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calvin <crice5@[EMAIL   2008-07-04 16:26:48 
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The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-07-04 18:33:13 
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The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-07-04 21:54:02 
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calvin <crice5@[EMAIL   2008-07-05 05:46:25 
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Les Cargill <lcargill@  2008-07-05 14:11:27 
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calvin <crice5@[EMAIL   2008-07-05 06:37:35 
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The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-07-05 07:41:02 
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tg <tgdenning@[EMAIL P  2008-07-05 06:39:03 
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calvin <crice5@[EMAIL   2008-07-05 08:09:34 
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The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-07-05 09:36:17 
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calvin <crice5@[EMAIL   2008-07-05 09:49:21 
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The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-07-06 09:32:14 
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The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-07-06 17:22:30 
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calvin <crice5@[EMAIL   2008-07-05 16:51:27 
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calvin <crice5@[EMAIL   2008-07-06 13:17:46 
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calvin <crice5@[EMAIL   2008-07-07 06:30:16 
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calvin <crice5@[EMAIL   2008-07-07 07:51:31 
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knucmo <stevejouanny@[  2008-07-07 12:33:30 
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